David King
Unsporting Lisbon

March 22nd
14:59:17 GMT
Rubbish

Our latest result was even worse than
normal.
Brian Beerman
Old Colony F.C.

March 22nd
01:25:10 GMT
Quit Scotland

What happened, Dr King?


David King
Unsporting Lisbon

March 21st
22:23:33 GMT
Have to quit.

Sorry.

It's got to that time.
But I just can't continue. It's getting too tough.

I can longer watch Scotland.

Brian Beerman
Old Colony F.C.

March 21st
11:10:31 GMT
Generate Cash: The Sequel

Ellis,

In the case of Vidicole, selling him was not a problem. He was one of the top players in the league as I
recall. If I had not sold him, I think the rebuild might have taken an extra season, maybe even two.

However, I understand your point. Selling and buying have been relatively quiet as of late. If necessary,
I would expect you could find buyers for Tarrasch, Sutovsky, Richard Reti, or Tal.

Best of luck!


Ellis Simpson
Elana Torun

March 21st
07:22:28 GMT
Generate Cash

Brian, cool story. Well done. However, there's one potential issue. What would have happened if
nobody bought the player? Unlikely? Maybe. But what if?
Brian Beerman
Old Colony F.C.

March 18th
12:18:37 GMT
Generate Cash

Ellis, I will say from experience, you can develop a team from the bottom. Many moons ago, Old Colony was in need of
cash so we could start to build a decent team. We (ok, I) put our best player (Vladimir Vidicole) up for sale and made
a good amount of cash in the process. This allowed the team to then purchase more CP the following season. We had a
couple of more players maxed out, which lead to a few more wins, and thus more cash. I think that one move might be the
most important in the club's history.

There are plenty of opportunities in this game to be generate cash and be competitive. It can be challenging and you
may have to make sacrifices you don't want to, but I feel that's one of the best aspects of the game.


Stewart Miller
Teddybears F.C.

March 17th
15:30:03 GMT
Competitive

Evolution Division 2 looks like being a very competitive league this season. The top and bottom
teams are separated by just four points as we break for the divisional cup group stages.


Stewart Miller
Teddybears F.C.

March 17th
10:35:20 GMT
Non-League Sales

There are a lot of football management games 'out there' where you can sell unwanted players back
to the Commish (Non-League) for cash. The sell-back value is defined in the game's rule book and
is dependent on the age and playing characteristics of the player in question. The better the
player, the more cash you get, but the sell-back value is less than his game assessed value,
usually around 50%. I think this is the option that Ellis is proposing.

Ellis, you should set out a proposal as a 'Debate' on the home page to canvass managerial opinion.
One disadvantage is that it would generate extra work for Adam, either in manually administrating
such sales or in developing and applying the necessary coding.


Ellis Simpson
Elana Torun

March 17th
10:20:25 GMT
Non League Sales

Thanks for the many posts, Colin. I do appreciate the different approaches. It's not only that
I cannot generate any cash for these players, but it's also the larger issue of how to generate
cash if you are a weak club with poor resources. You get one Bosman signing, and a few CPs. But
that is it. You cannot get cash from matches because you are losing. Similarly, you are not
going to get a cup run - no matter how good your tactics, unless the random number generator is
hacked. Puzzling. Well, puzzling to me.
Colin Scott
Sparta Partick

March 17th
09:13:31 GMT
lower league

I do play in a league where youth players cost less to buy if your team is in a lower division and
these teams take advantage of that by buying youth and selling them to top flight teams at a profit.
The top flight team being happy to pay as this offers them a cheaper deal and they don't have to
train up a youth player. This, however, is not the case in the Manager and not what Ellis is
suggesting.
Colin Scott
Sparta Partick

March 17th
09:10:40 GMT
Non league

Therefore, I don't think that fits with the Manager and you should aim to train as many youth
players as you need in your own team and no more, unless, of course, that you are confident of
selling one or more at a later date.
Colin Scott
Sparta Partick

March 17th
09:07:49 GMT
Non league

At the Manager we buy in youth players to train for our own team - in general. There may well be a
team that would rather not do that and is willing to buy younger players who have already been
coached up. If you get a such a deal before you actually buy a youth player then all good and well.
If you have no such deal then you run the risk of being unable to sell your youth player.
Now we come to the point that Ellis is at.
As we try to mirror real life - and I know it's just a game - we are saying 'this lad is not good
enough for the major leagues so ship him off to the minor leagues'. In real life, the minor leagues
will not pay more than the major league teams so I guess you would be selling your youth player at a
loss. You invested in the young lad but it didn't work out.
Ellis Simpson
Elana Torun

March 17th
04:14:50 GMT
Non League Sales

I want to be able to generate cash for players by selling to the non-league (GM). This, as
opposed to being able to sell them only if another manager wants to buy them.
David King
Unsporting Lisbon

March 16th
15:49:30 GMT
Lower Division

That should have been lower division of a given league.
Colin Scott
Sparta Partick

March 16th
09:48:09 GMT
Non league

Two different terms now. Non league or lower league?
David King
Unsporting Lisbon

March 16th
04:56:39 GMT
Non -League

In some versions of the game, training up and trading of youth players happened a lot. The idea was that the lower league team didn't lose as much SL as the bigger team so they would do the hard graf then sell the player on at a profit.
Colin Scott
Sparta Partick

March 15th
19:52:35 GMT
Non league

Let me get this right, you want to sell your young players to non league? And this is because you
can not sell them or no one wants to buy them here? Thought it best to split that into two
questions.
Chris McDougall
Fulham Town

March 15th
02:18:58 GMT
Fulham Town Tempted by Offer

Chris McDougall announces interest from a club for the following assets.

Jason Bowmore 3/20 DF


They are considering the deal on the table but would welcome other clubs to come forward as soon as possible with a challenging offer.
Ellis Simpson
Elana Torun

March 14th
12:30:16 GMT
Non League Sales

Brian,

Thanks for posting.

One CP seems like a measly return.

Cash has the advantage that it gives the manager the flexibility of deciding what to spend it
on. Sure, a CP could be traded, but that adds another (unnecessary) step in the process.

The topic also ties back into an earlier posting about stronger and weaker clubs. How does a
weaker club generate cash?

I might not choose to go down the particular route, but it would be good to have the option of
operating a youth policy. That's a non starter if you cannot do anything with the youth. But I
am repeating myself.

Ignoring the potential workload for the GM (sorry....) do the other managers feel that the
present situation makes for a better game than one where you could sell players to the non
league?
Brian Beerman
Old Colony F.C.

March 14th
11:26:25 GMT
Non League Sales

Ellis,

In the first iteration of The Manager, if you "retired" a player (and I don't mean that in a
mob movie, hit man kind of way) your team received one CP. Personally I think that's better
than cash, though that's a debate for another day.

I do miss the player for CP aspect of the game, but after all these seasons I've grown
accustomed to the current format. Things seem fair enough now that I don't imagine Adam would
bring back that (really super cool) component. Or perhaps I am wrong and Adam is coding that
into the game as we speak.

Probably not though.


But maybe, Adam?


I just stopped holding my breath.


Ellis Simpson
Elana Torun

March 14th
05:47:03 GMT
Non League Sales

Penultimate question should be "Is any **change** likely?" That typo came to you courtesy early
morning fatigued fingers.
Ellis Simpson
Elana Torun

March 14th
05:44:43 GMT
Non League Sales

I am sure it's a topic that must have been raised before. I'm also pretty sure it's my own lack
of skill at other aspects of the game, but I am driven to ask why there is no mechanism for
sales to the non league. What we appear to have is an artificial market where you can only sell
if there's a buyer. (Duh!) But the market is so small - look at the number of active managers
as the real size of the market - that it is too easily influenced. If no-one's buying, there's
nothing you can do. For example, in some games it's possible to pursue a strategy of
deliberately grooming youth players and then selling them. Not here. Oh you can groom them. But
selling them? I know it would be added work for the GM. Is any chance likely? Does anyone else
feel similarly inclined?
Brian Beerman
Old Colony F.C.

March 12th
18:11:24 GMT
Predict-o Leagu-o

I think the only problem with the Prediction League thus far is we don't have a perfect record. I know one could
make the argument it's my fault, in that I did not pick the correct winner in each match. I disagree. I think the
game engine should recognize my selections pre-match and ensure the outcomes comply with my guess. Seems simple
enough for Adam to code. I will wait patiently until then. Cheers!


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